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Location:

Naples,FL,

Member Since:

Mar 29, 2011

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Boston Qualifier

Running Accomplishments:

400m - ATC:  1:08   May '11

800m - ATC:  2:32   May '11

1600m - self-timed:  5:?? 

5k- Vinings Downhill 5k:  18:34  Sept, '11

10.k - Mardis Gras 10k:  39:15   Feb '12

Half - The Scream:  1:23:59  Jul '11

Marathon - Ridge to Bridge:  3:06:23   Oct '11

Completed 13 Marathons & 2 50k & 1 Century ride

Short-Term Running Goals:

Run injury free

Upcoming Races:

Sept. 14: - Erie Marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

Sprint down Boylston Street once per year

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ST-6 Racer Lifetime Miles: 223.50
Boston Adizero Red Lifetime Miles: 607.00
Boston Adizero White Lifetime Miles: 430.00
Nike Free Lifetime Miles: 362.00
Nike Trail Lifetime Miles: 327.20
Boston Classic Lifetime Miles: 362.50
Adidas Marathon TR Lifetime Miles: 155.90
Vertical Feet Climbed - 2011 Lifetime Miles: 75701.00
Kinvara 2 Lifetime Miles: 31.80
Adios Lifetime Miles: 277.90
Ghost GTX Lifetime Miles: 328.00
Karhu Flow Formula One Lifetime Miles: 166.30
Brooks PureFlow 2 Lifetime Miles: 153.70
Adios II Lifetime Miles: 147.40
Adios 2 Lifetime Miles: 150.20
Race: Ridge to Bridge Marathon (26.2 Miles) 03:06:23, Place overall: 18, Place in age division: 2
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There is a reason we have back up goals, woohoo, I did it.

Struggled from the start, never felt good.  First 5miles were right on pace plan, 7min/miles ... but they were supposed to be easy, they were hard, and I knew it was going to be a long day! Marathon is a long distance, but it is really long when you are mentally broken 5 miles into the race.

I hung on for a 3:06:23 ... best summarized as a really crappy run, but a good time with a 14minute pr.  Not much cell service up here, but as I sit perched on a cliff overlooking a colorful valley, had a chance to check in.  Will add more later when I get back home, enjoying a beautiful day for now!

Report Update:

Warning!  Sorry, this is way long … I am still trying to wrap my arms around what went wrong … and why I should feel positive about this race and not be disappointed!

I had a pretty simple pace plan, which I followed pretty much to a T the first 9 miles, but this was way harder than it should have been, so the inevitable happened, my pace plan blew up!

Miles 1-6:  These are at the top of the course, rolling hills, up and down & lot of them.  The plan was a 7:00 pace, which I hit, but by the end of this section I knew my sub 3 was out the window.  I was aerobically winded & my legs were really tight, feeling achy, and not wanting to move fast.  So basically, my ‘6 mile warmup’ at a conservative effort, was taking all I had to maintain … not good!  The temp at the start was 32, and I think my legs were rejecting that & extremely slow to warm-up.  I also think the 4,000’ elevation is what was hurting me aerobically, but I was less concerned about breathing heavy, as I knew that I would get that under control.  The problem was, my legs were mot loosening up, and I was about to start 8-9 miles of downhill mega-drop … my legs had to be loose going into this, they were not.  I was not born yesterday, I knew my pace plan was toast at this point, with 20 miles to go.

6:56, 7:04, 6:49, 6:56, 7:00, 7:04

The first 2.4 miles of the course are identical to my Half marathon in July.  In July, I ran that section 34 seconds faster, and felt great … compared to the way I felt yesterday.  On the half, this is where you turned onto the forest service road, which quickly takes you to the descent … for the full, we ran 1.6 miles of hills, turned around and rant them the opposite direction, before rejoining the half course.

Miles 7-14:  Steep, steep downhill!  On stiff hurting legs … uh oh!!  Pace plan was 6:15/mile.  More or less managed this the first 3, but it was hard … I did alot of half mile repeats in the low 5’s in training for this race, 6:15 should have been easy!

7- 6:16, 8 – 6:15, 9 – 6:20

Mile 10 has some uphill, I knew I would not manage a 6:15, but figured I would run a few faster in my planning  … but that was not in the cards yesterday … I ran 3 of the downhill miles in sub 6 in July, with a lot less training.  The first 9 miles I had been just behind a group of 5 guys running together all going for sub 3 … and I think we all basically had the same pace plan as I was only about 30 yards behind them & running the same pace the first 3 downhill miles.  At Mile 10, I was done, and they disappeared, 4 of the 5 hit their goal.  Mile 11 and 12 & 13 were not any better.  Mile 14 I heard footsteps behind me & figured I had to get back on track, so I really pushed and got back down to my goal pace for that mile, but it killed me!  My legs never felt good, and the downhill was only making things worse.   Running mile 14 as fast as I did the way my legs felt was probably pretty stupid … but I was making one last attempt at jump starting my legs.

10 – 7:03, 11 – 6:52, 12 – 6:32, 13 – 7:03, 14 – 6:11

Over the identical 8.2 miles that have 2,000’ of drop, my time in July was 51:13 (6:14 pace), yesterday it was 53:53 (6:34 pace).  To put this in perspective, I ran a 10k 2 weeks ago at a 6:22 pace, which felt comfortable … on rolling hills with no net elevation change!  WTF, I was 12 seconds per mile slower than that, on the section of course that was supposed to be screaming fast, and it was anything but comfortable … when I had done ½ mile downhill intervals at a 5:15 pace that felt comfortable!!

Miles 15-26:  Pretty flat, gradual downhill (500’ drop over 10 miles), with a few small uphill sections, following a creek the whole way.  Pace plan was 7:00, but 7:10’s would have gotten me sub 3 … had I been on pace at that point, although as previous mentioned, I followed my plan the first 9 miles, but it had fallen apart the last 5.

Well, if my spirit was broken at Mile 5 (where I knew I was not having an ‘On day’ to achieve what I believe was a realistic goal … at Mile 15 my body was broken.  The first half of that mile was a continuation of the downhill, at which point the big downhill was behind us, and we had to make a left turn and run a half mile upstream, where we turned around and followed the creek downstream to the finish.  As we made the turn to head upstream, I told the guy who had been on my heels the last mile to pass, and he apologized if he had been ‘pushing’ me, I told him no worries, that was the pace I was supposed to be running to get my sub 3, but it was not my day.  He said he was going for the same, and I wished him well.  At that intersection, I had stashed a Gatorade in a mailbox, so I grabbed it and started walking so I could take a Gel and pour it into my handheld bottle.  This process took maybe 30 seconds which was not that big of a deal, but when I tried to start running again, my legs revolted.  I got passed by several people in this mile long out and back section, and was really struggling.  There was no intense pain, cramping, or major issues … my legs would just hurt all over & would not turnover fast!

Mile 16 was 8:06, (some walking to refuel) but this cannot be happening on a flat section of course with 10 miles to go!  I cannot even begin to describe the thoughts going through my head at this point, but I can say I was questioning if I could even pull out a 3:10, which was my backup, backup goal.  I will say I briefly considered throwing in the towel on my finishing time altogether, thinking it would be quite nice to enjoy an easy 10 mile jog along a beautiful scenic river.  After a mile of this nonsense, I snapped out of it at the 17 mile marker … with some quick math I calculated that if I could hold an 8:00 pace I would finish in 3:11 & surely I could shave a minute somewhere & get under 3:10 … my race was not over yet.  It was hard, but I made my legs turn over faster.

15-6:44, 16 – 8:06, 17 – 7:46, 18 – 7:27, 19 – 7:18, 20 – 7:37, 21 – 8:05

Other than passing a guy at Mile 18 who had ‘blown up’, miles 17 to 21 I was all alone, and I was getting passed in Mile 16.  While I had recovered some, I was struggling averaging about a 7:30 pace, and started falling apart again in Mile 21 …  I slowed at a water stop to take another GU and refill my handheld.  One of the volunteers said I was doing great & in 18th place … little did he know I felt like burnt toast.  Typically, I never look behind me in a race, but I was really lonely (this in the middle of national forest, there are no fans & the only runner I had seen in 5 miles had blown up!) and hurting, so I glanced over my shoulder as I had slowed to take my gel.  About a 100 yards back & gaining fast were two runners, the eventual second overall female, and a guy I know who is 48 (my age group) & had won the Masters at the half in July with a 1:22 & run this course in 3:02 last year.  There is no question he is a stronger runner than me, but I also knew he had done a tough trail marathon the week before, he is one of those crazy nuts that has done like 140 marathons … so probably not a big deal to him … but I knew he would not have his ‘A’ game.  He had casually told me at the start line he just wanted to beat 3:10, but also knew he was not going to show his cards to me … we are casual friends … and when it comes to competing for an age group award if I was in his sights, I was a  target.  With 5 miles to go, I was a sitting duck in my current state.  I tried to pick up the pace, but it just was not happening.  By Mile 22, the girl passed me, and although I could not hear Bobby’s footsteps, I knew he was close behind her.

This was my saving grace!  When you are feeling miserable and you get passed by a beautiful  woman, how can you do anything other than try to latch on!  I dug deep and did everything I could to match her stride for stride, and refused to let myself fall back by more than 3 strides. I think she was trying to bury me, because the pace kept gradually getting faster, but I stayed with her stride for stride.  While it was not easy, for the first time in the race I felt like I was starting to hit my stride.  Imagine that, Mile 24 being the first mile where you finally feel like your legs are getting warmed up.  A lot of this had to be mental, where 4 miles earlier I was questioning if I could hang on and hit 3:10, and now I was thinking 3:05 might be possible, although a stretch of my imagination.  At Mile 24 I passed her, and honestly I kept hoping she would pass me back, but I could smell the finish at this point and just tried to maintain my new found pace.  I still had no idea where Bobby was, but I guessed he would be right behind me, figuring he could pick me off in the last mile … so I kicked it up another notch. 

22 – 7:55, 23 – 7:24, 24 – 7:08, 25 – 7:09, 26 – 6:53

The last quarter mile was a loop in a cabin resort area that hosted the finish.  As I entered the grounds, 2 things became clear to me … I was not going to get 3:05 … and I had built enough a cushion that I was going to hang onto 18th place overall, so I slowed down a little and just tried to enjoy the fact and I had made it to the finish and salvaged a good day/performance … no need to collapse to shave a little time.  In hindsight, I should have dug deep, a 6:20 pace the last ¼ mile would have gotten me a 3:05:59 … but does that really make a difference?  There was a 4 mile stretch at the end of the race where I was happy with the way I ran, and that made it a good day.

0.34 – 2:33 (7:28 pace)

Bobby finished 10 seconds behind me, and the gal that saved me was another 12 behind him.  The person in front of me beat me by almost three minutes … and the 3 males that finished behind me were all in my age group … with 5th place in AG finishing in 3:08:01 … so my last 4 miles saved the day …  I would have been really bitter if I would have dropped from 2nd to 5th in the last few miles!

It was a tough day, but I hung in there and ran 85% of the race the best I could.  I think that the bad miles at 16 & 17 and 21 & 22 can in part be attributed to mental weakness, but those ‘recovery miles’ (which I will call them), probably allowed me to finish strong.  Mile 10-13 were really poor performance on the downhill , but that was all my legs would give me, it was not because I was not mentally in the game. 

There is one last thing that played a role in the huge difference between this run & my half on the course in July.  In July, it had rained the night before the race and there was some light rain during the race.  This made the packed gravel roads very forgiving and easy to run hard on.  Also, you could run in tire tracks that had pushed all the loose gravel down into the bed surface.  With the dry conditions we have had, the packed gravel road surface felt like running on concrete … with loose gravel scattered across the surface … throw in the hardened ruts & bumps … and this was nothing short of a miserable running surface.  It was like night & day from July, and when my legs hit this surface at Mile 6, all they wanted to do was cry … but they just laughed at me when I asked them to run fast.

On to Boston ... surely a couple easy recovery weeks ... but soon I will have to put my game face back on and try again.  It is easier when you are already registered for the biggest race of your life ... otherwise I would surely be questioning why I have an addiction to this sport!

Adios Miles: 26.20
Comments
From timp on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 13:38:00 from 99.110.188.230

Very sorry you had a bad day, JG.

26.2 is long even on a good day. It is especially hard when you "just want it to be over" early on. My last marathon was like that - just a horrible day from the beginning, but I didn't keep it together nearly like you did.

Second in AG, a 14min PR, and a 3:06 are nothing to sneeze at. Congrats on those! I read that the AG awards are homemade mugs or something. That's pretty cool.

Enjoy the fall weather in the mountains!!

From derhammer on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 13:57:48 from 70.113.125.159

Excellent job, JG. Way to hang in there right from the start. Looks like a beautiful course. There is no way my quads would have survived that kind of elevation drop. Time for some well deserved rest!

From SlowJoe on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 13:59:07 from 75.109.104.60

Congrats on a really good "off day." Shaving off 14 minutes in 1 year is kind of a big deal! Way to hang in there. Now you can set your sights on Boston for the sub-3.

From I Just Run on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 19:42:25 from 71.41.149.142

I'm going to ignore the comment about a "crappy run" and congradulate you on an amazing 14 minute PR..!!! Now think about how easy it's going to be to break 3 when you feel good :-)

From seeaprilrun on Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 19:48:14 from 68.103.242.223

Bad day and you still PRed by 14 minutes and ran a 3:06?! That's incredible, and I get the feeling you fought valiantly for that PR! The sub-3 guy is in serious trouble, you will get him next time. Can't wait to hear the details!

From Mattrow on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:38:23 from 198.169.189.227

I have a number of races like that. Try and enjoy the PR of 14 minutes. I know its hard to do, after months of training with the goal of sub 3. A 14 minute PR is still a good improvement. Two years ago I had the same goal of breaking 3 at St George. I PR by about 14 minutes but missed my goal. I didn't enjoy the great new PR, as much as I should of, because I didn't go sub 3. Sub 3 will come, just try and enjoy this great acheivement.

From flatlander on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:27:37 from 76.31.26.153

JG, really enjoyed this report, very honest and analytical. Just be happy for the 14-minute PR, it puts you in a better starting corral at Boston. You are a very good runner and believe me, no runner who reads this report has anything but sympathy with what you went through. We have all had those races where nothing makes any sense. Just plan on another 14-minute PR at Boston, you just might get it.

From JG on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:56:40 from 71.59.27.33

Tim, there were a lot of positives to the day & it was an awesome weekend in the mtns!

David, it is as pretty as a course gets east of the Mississippi! In July I loved the running surface, unfortunately it felt like concrete this time around.

Joe, in retrospect, yes it was a good 'off' day, and at least with the 14 min improvement, I don't feel like my training was a waste! A year ago I would not have finished the way things were going!

Preston, 'crappy run' was maybe a poor choice of words, but I trained hard for the downhill & then could not even hold a 10k pace on that section ... that is pretty crappy ... but I survived and give thanks for the positives in the day!

April, I fought valiantly the last 4 miles ... but just tried to survive the first 22 & hoped I would finish! Bad days keep us humble & make us work harder for our next opportunity!

Matt, you are right, focus on the positives ... if we got our goals the first time we tried every time, they would not mean as much when we actually achieve them!

Flat, glad you enjoyed the report, cuz I didn't enjoy the race! lol Thank you for the compliment and vote of confidence, I am excited about the opportunity to have a chance to try again in Boston!

From Dave S on Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 17:46:25 from 4.253.97.173

Nice job! Way to hang tough and fight it out until the end when it would be so easy to throw in the towel and jog it in. 3:06 is a great time. Congrats on a huge PR and huge step closer to 3 hours.

From Steam8 on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 10:17:53 from 166.70.55.77

I loved reading your report! I don't know why it is that you have good running days and bad.....and sometimes you can just start out not on your game and after pushing through you start feeling good. 3:06 is an amazing time, even though you don't care to hear that right now! I am sorry you didn't get a sub 3. I know how hard you have worked. Cheer up because Boston will be a great time to meet your goal! I would really like to be able to qualify for Boston at Boston. That is my goal. I would love a 3:30. We'll see if I can get myself in good enough shape to do it! Oh, and I hope I have a good run and don't have to hit the POPs like crazy. That is what usually kills my time! ha!

From SlowJoe on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 13:58:33 from 132.3.53.68

Just read all the details - nice writeup and analysis.

Definite mental toughness to finish off the last few miles like that. Most marathon bonks I've read (and in fact, my own bonk for my first full) have a point of no return, and everything just keeps getting worse with no hope of salvage.

Keep up the training, the next one will be a sub-3.

From I Just Run on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 15:13:36 from 67.79.11.242

Man...I've been reading all morning and finally finished the full race report. I figured out one thing, maybe I need to start thinking more when I run so I'll have something meaningful to say :-) I like all the details, I just can't seem to remember that much after I run a race. Thanks for the great report!

I was thinking after I finished reading...I would sure like to see JG, SlowJoe and DerHammer all at the same race in the next few months and all break the 3:00 mark. I think they all would do it!!!

From JG on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 18:24:51 from 71.59.27.33

Thx Dave, I was also thinking how nice it would be to kayak down the fast flowing creek to the finish, luckily I did not have access to one though!

Steam, reaching my goal at Boston is the plan, & you are right, that will make it all the more sweeter!

Joe, thanks ... the difference is I never really bonked, I just struggled from the first mile. If I had not backed off and had a couple 'recovery' miles, I am pretty sure I would have bonked!

IJR - I warned you! Yeah, I would gladly try to chase those guys to a sub 3!! You might have to give me a couple roping lessons first though!

From I Just Run on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 18:42:58 from 67.79.11.242

Roping lessions...Now that's something I know about :-) Come to TX anytime !

From I Just Run on Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 23:34:29 from 71.41.149.142

Now that's a COOL trophy...! This one you'll keep.

BTW...I was wondering if you could get the Virtual 400 Meet advertised in the "Featured Announcments" at the right of the Blog Page?

From Dan on Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 11:27:46 from 76.250.141.181

JG- Bro I am wayyyyy late and I am sorry about that! I have many 'excuses' but that's not important - what's the deal with your run man!! That is awesome to me and even more so in the metal toughness you showed at the end (and beginning really, it's easy to throw in the towel when we feel 'off'). Sub 3 is right around the corner. Looking forward to Boston with you!

From JG on Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 14:57:37 from 71.59.27.33

No worries Dan, I know your reasons & my thoughts have been with you hoping for a speedy recovery! Glad you got a few in today ... and that you are working with a PT to try to resolve!

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